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« on: June 06, 2009, 05:13:31 am »



A popular development methodology with a lot of companies recently is Agile Development.
Like web 2.0 and XHTML its simply an evolution of best practices given a new name, I have been doing my development like this for years, but its nice to have a name for my style Wink
http://agilemanifesto.org

Also popular is the scrum methodology however I prefer a very flexible informal scrum approach myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development)
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2009, 12:03:22 pm »

Mind if I summarize it?

Customer Comes First
Watch over competitors moves
Going by quantity

Is this not the common practice in corporate environments?
Feature rich sites put together like theirs no tomorrow.


I find I'm some what the opposite.

The client comes first which is down to a lot of variables, I would make suggestions on different methods and give a reason for why I think I have a better method etc.
Watching competitors I fully agree, and if they have done something shit loads better build on their better system.

My issue is
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Deliver working software frequently, from a
couple of weeks to a couple of months, with a
preference to the shorter timescale.
This worries me some what, its suggesting that you're rushing work, which I 100% do not agree with, I believe in taking a load of your back and enjoying what you can do.
I've found if I'm rushing I miss the opportunity to find better methods of what I've built, if I can make my functions much more manageable and future proof I would rather take my opportunity to change it while I can.
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2009, 07:19:07 am »

The point you raise over who comes first, the customer or the client is the classical split between large and small businesses.
When your dealing with smaller clients and you need to get paid its common practice to put the client first, even when they havnt got a clue about websites. Big companies however will put the customer first because they understand that the customer is truly what drives the business. Telling that to a client is hard though, especially when its the smaller clients who want to have a part in everything.
I sometimes use the line, am I making the site for you or the end users, sometimes it works, depending on the client. Larger clients are easier to deal with because you are working with managers who are experienced in that department and who will defer to your expertise instead of the business owner who is generally clueless but convinced that they have the knowledge required to countermand decades of experience.

As for taking you time and getting it right, generally I agree with making sure that you deliver a proper working product however the agile terminology is generally used with larger companies who are paying a lot of money for contractors who they expect to know all the best ways to do things already and understand best practices and techniques instead of learning on the job. For those companies, every day in development costs a lot in contractor fees but also costs even more in terms of potential revenue lost from not having an improved solution.

Also when I develop a site or a solution I like to hit the ground running and develop hard and fast, develop a working product while the code is fresh in your mind, get it made before external factors slow down the development cycle.
Eg: feature creep. If its a good feature you can normally implement it after and if its a stupid feature you can say that would require an extensive redevelopment. Get a working site made thats nice and simple with a good solid HTML framework and afterwards you can add bells and whistles. Pus if you give the end client a solution they will always want to make some last minute changes so its better that they ask for some fancy features on top of a simple solution than asking you to redesign an already complex solution.

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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2009, 05:46:51 am »

Ah yes, I see really I was taking this from where I sit as I'm still a novice in the field  Cheesy.
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 03:41:03 pm »

The thing is scrum still works best for smaller team sizes. I started a contract in Cambridge recently and there are 30 people in our daily scrum metings plus another 30 on teleconference and the scrum meetings have a 15 min max time so you get about 15 seconds per person. which isnt much but better than spending half the day in meetings I guess. Plus using scrumworks takes up a load of time, especially when the client uses it like bugtrak to report every tiny little thing instead of general user stories like it was designed to do. The agile process was originally a framework to strip out the bull out of business methodology, however it can only do so when implemented properly and its astounding how bloated companies can take something designed to reduce bloat and turn it into a convoluted process.
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