The Art of Deception

[Defcon 5]

social engenering, I found a e-book for it (thanks google :p). only because I have no money to buy it .
I prefer books instead of e-books.
But yeah check it out.

[Darksat]

I have it.
Its not bad, a bit general.
Not exactly required reading though but Its ok for some light entertainment.

[Defcon 5]

I read the first couple of pages i really liked the diamond story so i went ahead and ordered it.
also got Hackers' Tales: Stories fr... and Hackers: Heroes of the Com... supposed to talk about history of compters and stuff should be entertaining.

[Darksat]

If you want something good to read Hacking: The Art of Exploitation

[Defcon 5]

I was actually thinking of that but i chose Hackers: Heroes of the Com... I was reading the reviews on it from amazon and they said it was good if your interested in the history. But the reviews on Hacking: The Art of Exploitation where saying you should be a programmer to read it :p plus it cost more .

[Darksat]

Well if you want to go from Newbie to Skilled Scripter I recommend Hacking exposed 1-3, (4 was crap)
Teaches you from basic to advanced.
Only thing is its not cheap but the CDS that come with the book are loaded with tools
3 is probably the best one with the most up to date tools.
4 just had a DVD and it wasnt that good. (mainly rehashing)

[Defcon 5]

its on my list , I like the idea of having CD's with it :p.

[Darksat]

The CD is worth it on its own just for everything you get on it.
I cant really talk though, I rented it from Library when I was in New Zealand. 

[Defcon 5]

lol, I'm having trouble finding the 1st one, I would go new zealand to get it out but it wouldnt be their .

Theirs a 5th one out now, which one is the 2nd is it the web applications one?

Is it safe to buy books 2nd hand, their cheaper but I'm not sure if i trust people selling hacker books :p.

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hackers are scum. hang em all and burn their books!

maybe the kkk should convert from killing black people to hackers? they'd be more popular...

[Defcon 5]

Well thats not very nice, hackers arn't all bad.
the word hacker doesn't mean someone who steals data.

'hacker' books are actually interesting to read you can learn all about protecting your network.

[Defcon 5]

Thought I should add I found the books it says first, second and third edition on them , I only have the 3rd one as i couldn't find the 1st and 2nd that come with cd's :p.

Its massive though 730 pages

[Darksat]

hackers are scum. hang em all and burn their books!

maybe the kkk should convert from killing black people to hackers? they'd be more popular...

Wow, thats harsh
Hackers are ok, crackers, spammers and script kiddies are the real threat.

[Defcon 5]

not all script kiddies are bad .

[Darksat]

This is true, but a lot of script kiddies are wannabe hackers who will launch a DOS attack/virus without a second thought for kicks.
I consider someone who is at a script kiddie level but is smart enough to learn how stuff works and wont press that key/button without good justification to be a different (and all to rare) breed.
Most script kiddies generally claims to be a leet hacker and uses lots of posturing and leetspeek where as a n00b hacker/cracker actually learns how stuff works and waits until an opportunity arises to use those skills in a non destructive/constructive way.

Hacking is not about destruction, its about freedom of information.